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Jonathan Yatolila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:59:00 -
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and don't even talk about ore reprocessing. I went from 100% refine to 67%. This is really FUBAR!!!!! Someone in CCP really needs to fix - or better yet - undo this garbage.
Oh well, at least I used to focus on active Trade - and that is what i will be going back to -- but just watch CCP screw that up too.
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Jonathan Yatolila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.24 02:19:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Hirogenale wrote:in ~99.99% of the cases high researched BPC's were used to actually give the buyer a benefit over the BPC's with the same price, but less researched. (YES, there was a benefit)
ah yes the 2 pyerite I saved choosing your ME1975 garde I bpc over an ME500 one was totally worth the 2m I paid for it face it you were selling snake oil
If someone bought such a BPC - he/she should have done the research -- which would take all of 30 seconds to 2 minutes to do - to see that the comparison between those BPCs was basically nil. I am fairly new to industry - have one alt pretty much dedicated to manufacturing and mining to get the mins to do the production. But with every group of BPCs I chose to purchase - was to first look and see if the BPC made sense.
I have yet to research a BPO or make copies of BPs - but I can say this --- I have taken a huge loss on the BPCs I have.
This "improvement" has practically tripled the amount of time it takes to produce - and that only because I have TE at 5 - and the amount of materials to produce has drastically increased - only offset by my having ME at 5. Then take the fact that I had refining maxed out - due to a combination of skills for the various ores, refine and refinery efficiency - AND closing the last little bit to achieve 100% refine and 0% tax by running missions for the NPC corp to achieve a standing in excess of +6.5 -- only to now receive 67% refine -- a loss of 33%.
And this is improvement? How. This mathematician - who has taught math to both adults and high school students - sure doesn't see the benefit. |
Jonathan Yatolila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.24 02:25:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Acks wrote:Jonathan Yatolila wrote:and don't even talk about ore reprocessing. I went from 100% refine to 67%. This is really FUBAR!!!!! Someone in CCP really needs to fix - or better yet - undo this garbage.
Oh well, at least I used to focus on active Trade - and that is what i will be going back to -- but just watch CCP screw that up too.
With Max skills, +4% refining implant, and 50% refine station you get exact same perfect refine on ice. You get about 98% of previous on ore. You have to take into account the new ore batch sizes and the fact they increased the total mins in the ore. So yes, while in the UI it says you are getting 69% (or whatever), it is still possible to get the same amount of mins from the same amount of ore as before (or at least REALLY close). do not refine in a highsec sell the compressed ice or ore and buy minerals/topes with the proceeds
You Goons would love that right??? More opportunities to gank the guys who are not in the game for PvP
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Jonathan Yatolila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.24 02:30:00 -
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Acks wrote:Jonathan Yatolila wrote:and don't even talk about ore reprocessing. I went from 100% refine to 67%. This is really FUBAR!!!!! Someone in CCP really needs to fix - or better yet - undo this garbage.
Oh well, at least I used to focus on active Trade - and that is what i will be going back to -- but just watch CCP screw that up too.
With Max skills, +4% refining implant, and 50% refine station you get exact same perfect refine on ice. You get about 98% of previous on ore. You have to take into account the new ore batch sizes and the fact they increased the total mins in the ore. So yes, while in the UI it says you are getting 69% (or whatever), it is still possible to get the same amount of mins from the same amount of ore as before (or at least REALLY close).
Thanks I will check that out on my alt that does the refine. Worst case scenario is that it will give me better refine than now. Will also have to check to see the ore/mineral refine results and compare them. I do hope you are correct - and if proven correct - I will gladly post a retraction - as it would give a real value then to the implant which prior had no real value.  |
Jonathan Yatolila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:55:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:CCP has actually said they don't like the margin trading scam being possible, they just don't have good ideas to fix it.
To say that CCP GÇ£don't like the margin trading scam being possible, they just don't have good ideas to fix itGÇ¥ is really an insult to the intelligence of the CCP team. Of course, it is a given that most software programmers are not market experts. It is also a given that most gamers are not market experts. But, that stated GÇô there is at least one (and probably more than one) expert in marketing and economics on the CCP team. [Based on the one CCP speaker who spoke at Evefest and was recorded as giving his credentials as an economist.]
There are several ways to address the Margin Trade Scam. Two of them are fairly easy. Two other ways that I will suggest below would require more thought and time in the software code development.
1. Eliminate both the Margin Trade skill and game mechanic. Give SP to each character that has trained the skill equal to the number of SP the skill/level required of the character to train it. The SP could then be invested in other skills by those characters. This would create momentary pain for those who used this skill GÇô both those who used it legitimately and those who used it to scam. But the ability to ever scam again using this game mechanic would be ended.
2. Eliminate 0 ISK escrow and charge a percentage of the total buy order with the percentage being paid to the seller. No exchange of product. This would not eliminate the scam, but would give a minor recompense to the person scammed. Set this percentage within a range of 5 GÇô 10 percent of the order.
3. Flesh out the Margin Trade game mechanic to more closely resemble out-of-game market mechanics (e.g. real-world conditions). Game mechanic would result in the product being held in abeyance until all funds are paid to the seller. At that time, the buyer receives the product. In the meantime as the buyer earns ISK (from whatever source) it is paid directly into the sellers wallet. A set period of time could be established for completion. Since the mechanics are already in place for time delay (PI, manufacturing, contracts) apply the same time mechanics to the Margin Trade. At the end of that period GÇô a period determined by CCP (24 hours, 96 hours, 14 days, etc.) if the Buyer has not completed payment, the seller keeps all ISK from the sale and all of the product.
The advantage in this mechanic is that it enables the seller to know (s)he will not lose on the transaction while also enabling the legitimate usage of the Margin Trade mechanics for those situations were a buyer is suddenly caught without the ISK to cover the buy. At the same time, scammers would be held totally accountable for trying to run a market scam with this mechanic. It would effectively end scams.
This 3rd option, is the one that most closely resembles real-world markets.
4. Eliminate the 0 ISK escrow. If the trade immediately fails due to insufficient funds in the buyerGÇÖs wallet, all ISK in the wallet and all ISK in the escrow is paid to the seller in increments that match the per unit price posted in the buy order. The buyer then receives that number of items as the available ISK can purchase. This is a variation of option 2 above, whereby the scammer is now in possession of overpriced merchandise and out the ISK to buy those items at the price set in the buy order. While it would not totally eliminate the scam it would make it far less palatable than a token percentage loss.
Of course I donGÇÖt really expect any of these suggestions to be acted upon by CCP as many in the CSM would suffer to one degree or another if they were implemented. By this statement, I do not imply that any of the CSM actively support or participate in such scams but some of them are in corporations/alliances where one or more members do actively participate in such scams. |
Jonathan Yatolila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.28 07:59:00 -
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Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:Arist en Daire wrote:Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:its kinda funny that the only activity supposed 'economic experts' were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs You are so correct!!! The only people posting that are "supposed 'economic experts' " are those who "were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs". Yeah RIIIGGGHHTTTT!!!!!!! I have never (yet) researched a BP nor sold one. Have preferred to buy and use the "hilariously over-researched bpcs" because they were more economical both in terms of production time and more particularly in terms of materials. Both of which contribute to the cost of manufacture. My major isk making is in trading - which I do rather well at. I have 21 units of graduate studies completed towards an MBA, I have owned my own business in the work-aday-world and I have 6 years experience in retail management -- so I probably know at least a "little" about economics and the market. Now -- let's hear your credentials. i believe that you are a MBA grad student because you are completely incapable of separating theory from actual real or in this game, ingame, application
Hmmm - so what you are truly saying - or in this case not saying - is that you have no credentials. Thank you for that admission. |
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